Dan ([info]malbec) wrote,
@ 2004-01-09 12:22:00
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Current mood:more angry than I've been in years

Racism...
Am I a fucking voice alone or is everyone else in this shitty little country a closer racist or worse still and apathetic fuck hole? There's only so much of my day I can spend trying to educate wankers that just because someone that came from a different country committed a crime it doesn't mean that everyone from every country except this one is a criminal. And this I have to do pretty much alone. Day in... Day fucking out... It's like no one gives a damn any more... But they should, as this racist streak will infect more and more people as time goes on. If something goes wrong, blame an immigrant. Tripped over a paving stone? It'll be the fault of all those asylum seekers taking the jobs from hard working British citizens.

I'm ashamed to be English at the moment because of the racism here but especially because of the apathetic wankers that sit on the fucking fence...

Livid for North London


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[info]nonicksleft
2004-01-09 04:43 am UTC (link)
try getting in a back cab in east london if you want to really get pissed off at it.

*this area's not the same since *blahblahblah*

intrestingly enough tho - i had a conversation with a cab driver this morning on asimilar subject - hes a lithuaninan immigrant but feels he's set apart from others becuase he's white and comes from a pretty much solid white country...

the amount of people moving out of ilford becuase of "all these asians and eastern europeans" is unreal at the moment.

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[info]malbec
2004-01-09 04:58 am UTC (link)
It's things like this that really piss me off. It's been going on for a year now. "bla bla bla and they breed faster than us and all! bla bla bla"

And that's just one of the many that have been going on.

Fucking wankers...

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[info]nonicksleft
2004-01-09 05:23 am UTC (link)
oh lordy. im all for free speech and all but come on...

but, and this has the potential to be massivly misunderstood, i do agree that england is becoming over populated. when you aren;t able to provide for the people you have got, it just simply doesn't make sense to add to it further

we are seen as a soft option by people in other countries. having been involved with social services, it was common to see grown men saying they were teenagers and going into care. i dont agree with with this kind of system abuse but then, saying that, i know a lot more white people that were on the blag in some way... but i suppose, them being the supposed "norm", it doesn't seem to stick in peoples minds as much...

oh i dunno, we whiteys seem to swing between total ignornace and intolernace and guilt-ridden political correctness.

and heres another thought. theres something rather karmic abut a country that once spent all that time imposing OUR culture & values on places we had no real rights over now having to accomodate citzens of the very same countries and them doing it back...

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[info]malbec
2004-01-09 05:43 am UTC (link)
but, and this has the potential to be massivly misunderstood, i do agree that england is becoming over populated. when you aren;t able to provide for the people you have got, it just simply doesn't make sense to add to it further


Is this based on facts? If so, what are they? Or is it just a 'feeling' you have? If this country can't provide for the people it's got then maybe we should stop spending so much money invading other countries? I don't buy that immigrants are a drain on the system like so many people seem to think. Money wise, the last time the government did a study into this they concluded that "in 1999-2000 migrants contributed £31.2bn in taxes and consumed £28.8bn in benefits and services - a profit to the Treasury of £2.5bn". Looks good to me!

we are seen as a soft option by people in other countries. having been involved with social services, it was common to see grown men saying they were teenagers and going into care. i dont agree with with this kind of system abuse but then, saying that, i know a lot more white people that were on the blag in some way... but i suppose, them being the supposed "norm", it doesn't seem to stick in peoples minds as much...


Yup, it's amazing how many people seem to have an 'immigrant' radar when reading news stories. Suddenly the crime is a million times worse because "they came over here and took advantage of our good nature and this is how they repay us?". A good example of this is the recent arresting or a failed asylum seeker that ran over a small child while high on drugs and booze. The rightwing press had a field day with that. Today, the story about a Brit (Essex boy in fact) that killed to teenage girls by again, running over them while high as a kite is reported only on one news site that I've found. I guess he was the 'right' nationality.

and heres another thought. theres something rather karmic abut a country that once spent all that time imposing OUR culture & values on places we had no real rights over now having to accomodate citzens of the very same countries and them doing it back...


Well, we certainly have to shut the fuck up when Afghanistan and Iraqi refugees enter the country. We helped create the situation there. I don't buy what your saying about them imposing their cultures upon us. They simply come with that attached (like a significant other with their exs). I don't think that we have a right to get them to sign Beattles songs at the port to prove that they're going to be good little Brits. Addapting to a culture is a wise thing to do but rejecting your own for no good reason? Nah...

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[info]nonicksleft
2004-01-09 06:54 am UTC (link)
"If this country can't provide for the people it's got then maybe we should stop spending so much money invading other countries? I don't buy that immigrants are a drain on the system like so many people seem to think."

i agree - i do not think the money we have all spent on this big ol fuck up is a constructive use of money at all. and it's also true that without immigrants, our economy would be a lot less peachy than it is currently.

"Is this based on facts? If so, what are they? Or is it just a 'feeling'
you have?"

no, this is purely opinion, based upon the experinces i have had living in east london for the years i have. but youre right to call me on it.

i think its probably more of an infrastructure matter than anything else. the areas that are more likely to house immigrants are mostly the ones that are most stricken by poverty. when people have nothing, it's very easy to resent those that seem to be gettings theirs before their turn, so to speak. it's also easier for most people to resent "them" becuase at least then they have a real target. where there is poverty, you'll usually come across political apathy. can you honestly see joe bloggs writing a letter to tony about the way he spends our countries money?

when i look at east london, i see an area that just cannot cope with the numbers of people within it. i dont care where any of them are originally from, thats totally immaterial to me. i just see that the people that are already there aren't getting the things that should expect as a basic right.


"Today, the story about a Brit (Essex boy in fact) that killed to teenage girls by again, running over them while high as a kite is reported only on one news site that I've found. I guess he was the 'right' nationality."

well thats just stupid. a murder is a murder is a murder. what more can one say about this? to my mind - it makes no difference whether someone is or isn't a british national. if youre a c**t, then thats what you are and your ethnicity makes no fucking difference at all...

"I don't buy what your saying about them imposing their cultures upon us. They simply come with that attached (like a significant other with their exs)."

the only example i can think of about this is the banishment of christian celebration of xmas on cards, as apparently theyre "offensive to other faiths". (surely if you are offended by chistianity, then a christian country is not the best place for you... i suppose theres another argument as to whether we really are a christian or secular society but hey - another day, another subject...)

but, that aside, im actually regretting that part of what i said, as a) i cant really back it up without using the sun as source material and b) upon reflection, i don't totally agree with what ive said...
i know i don't really agree with this citzenship idea floating around, unless it was mandatory for EVERYONE. just becuase you were born here, that does not make you a good citzen, far from it in my experience.

hmm. i think this conversation has made me remember that words can be misconstrued and one should really give it some thought before saying something, especially on a subject as emotive as this...


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oh dear friend
[info]evendeeper
2004-01-09 05:11 am UTC (link)
i've heard how bad it is over there...but just magnify that by about 38 and you get the united states...who just seem to "hide it better" in most instances...i live on Long Island in NY ( http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0723/p03s01-ussc.html ) and they firebomb people's houses because they're mexican and do the job these elitist assholes think they're above doing...or luring unsuspecting laborers to an abandoned work site to try and kill them by beating them with shovels...

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[info]malbec
2004-01-09 05:27 am UTC (link)
That's fucking sickening. >:-(

I know that racism has been around since year dot but is it more or does it seem to be getting a lot worse all of a sudden... Oddly timed with 9/11 and the war against 'terror'. I've been feeling for a long time now that thanks to this 'war' it's become a lot more okay for people to voice those evil little views... Suspect thy neighbour, they'll kill you in your sleep... :-(

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[info]evendeeper
2004-01-09 05:30 am UTC (link)
see i think because of what bush and blair (and select others) are doing/saying, people think it's ok now to say it..which in honesty is a good thing...being a person of a mixed background i'd rather the devil show me his face than pretend to be my friend...you know?

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[info]malbec
2004-01-09 05:45 am UTC (link)
Definatly but I worry that in knowing thy enemy one also gets to see a lot of his hordes as well, and they infect people with their venom and spite.

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[info]evendeeper
2004-01-09 05:48 am UTC (link)
yes i was thinking about that as i replied to the other comment...for me, the way i see it is, never pretend to like me if you don't...pleasantries are good and all, but don't be my friend if you hate the fact that (just examples) my girlfriend is asian, german, eskimo or whatever (i actually got a comment : "i don't usually like asians, but your girlfriend's pretty cool") it kills me when people "make exceptions" because they're caught in a tight spot

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[info]malbec
2004-01-09 05:54 am UTC (link)
Yup!

On a few occasions I've had to point out that my father is one of those 'eastern europeans' that sort asylum in England and took bread from the mouths of the humble British worker to people that I know that bang on about the evil that is 'the foreign man'. But hey, that's okay because they know me so they don't see him like that. All other's are treated with fear and suspicion though.

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[info]evendeeper
2004-01-09 06:09 am UTC (link)
in essence, we stole, lied and cheated to get this country...and the "they should go back where they came from" mentality of some people here eats me up because there are only 2.3 million native americans in the U.S. (population of 209.8 million as of july 03) that's a little over 1%, so a country founded on immigration has a lot of nerve to try to curb it in a hateful, spiteful manner

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[info]malbec
2004-01-09 06:43 am UTC (link)
Especially since America is the one remaining global super power. If that's not a good advert for immigration is a good thing I don't know what is.

I guess at the end of the day people just can't break their bestial programming. Roll with the herd and kill all others. :-(

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[info]evendeeper
2004-01-09 07:15 am UTC (link)
and the fear that there's no changing a land that is republican run (which pretty much is against working class people rising above their substandard status (not all though, just most)) is what makes a lot of people not care what happens to their brown neighbor, because "why should he have it so good and i have to work for a living?"

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[info]nonicksleft
2004-01-09 08:38 am UTC (link)
i totally agree with that - if we don't stop and look at some of the contributing factors to all this, poverty being one of the biggest in my opinion, then how the fuck are we gonna get past it?

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[info]evendeeper
2004-01-09 08:40 am UTC (link)
sadly...a little over 51% of the people incharge in this great united states don't see that...there is so much selfishness here it's almost suffocating

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[info]nonicksleft
2004-01-09 08:45 am UTC (link)
i dont think its reserved for america only you know... selfishness and stupidity seems to know no geographical boundarys...



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[info]evendeeper
2004-01-09 08:46 am UTC (link)
*applause* exactly, but i only know of american politics first hand, and i tend to stick my foot in my mouth otherwise, so i stick to what i know :)

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[info]nonicksleft
2004-01-09 08:50 am UTC (link)
foot in mouth? have you read my other posts in this thread?

case in point unfortunatly!

:D

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[info]evendeeper
2004-01-09 09:30 am UTC (link)
:) glad to have another friend on the other side of the atlantic haha

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[info]nonicksleft
2004-01-14 01:57 am UTC (link)
we can try and remove each others feet from our mouths...

:D

*waves*

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[info]evendeeper
2004-01-14 03:34 am UTC (link)
haha exactly...

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[info]m_mcconnell205
2004-01-09 07:46 am UTC (link)
try living in the Deep South that is still trying to sweep its Jim Crow past under the rug. Nowadays our thankfully growing ( and organizing) Hispanic population bears the brunt of the xenophobes and good old boys.

Sadly enough everyone seems to forget that their ancestors were a immigrant at one time or another.

I also think there will be a shift towards discrmination by religion vs country or region of orgin. the Somalis in upstate NY are heavily discriminated against simply because alot of them are Muslim.

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[info]malbec
2004-01-09 07:58 am UTC (link)
God yes. The West needed a new cold war enemy to help errode the civial liberties of its populas after the Berlin wall fell and (then) USSR thought that it'd give capitalism a try.

Who's the new enemy? Anyone with a towel on their head of course. And what amazing timing that a born-again Christian should be driving the car at the time? It's amazing the amount of ignorant shit I've heard spouted about poor Muslims. Apparently they're all suicide bombers I hear! But the mindless amoung us have taken to heart that we must be watchful of these people. Be afraid. What's that little citizen? You're scared that they might bomb you? Oh, don't you worry, we'll just take a few more of those freedoms you used to enjoy when you were less paranoid. That'll make you safer.

It's like just before the invasion of Iraq when the army were camped out with tanks, defending Heathrow airport. Now, if people had stopped to think about that they would have wondered why you'd need tanks sitting around a runway, trying to stop terrorists that by definition, sneak around a bit. Hell, if one of those tanks had spotted a shifty little fellow with mean eys what were they going to do? Fire at him? You'll leave a crater there, not to mention you'd probably blow up the odd airplane or two for good measure! Nah. They were there to make us Brits feel just that little bit more insecure so we'd be a lot happier attacking Iraq. Bah!

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[info]nonicksleft
2004-01-09 08:36 am UTC (link)
you know what - i feel youve made a judgement on me becuase of what the opinion ii stated earlier...

maybe im justifying it further becuase secretly i worry that becuase i feel this country is oversubscribed (or, not the country as a whole but certainly parts of it...) i may be considered racist and what i was saying wasn't based on race at all. it was based ona country that is falling apart in many different ways and doesn't seem to be able to look after the people in it, whether they hail from the uk or not. i do disagree with people taking and not giving back but i reserve this opinion for anyone that abuses the system, irrespective of their country of origin... and i certainly do not put the lack of resources down to "towelheads stealing our jobs and women" becuase frankly, i feel that is sheer fucking stupidity .


if i didnt articulate this as i meant it, then thats my own fault but something in your reply tells me youve made up your mind already...

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[info]m_mcconnell205
2004-01-09 09:05 am UTC (link)
egg-actly! buckle your helmet on cause my president is a born again nut case of the 1st degree that firmly beleives that he owes god for helping him get rid of his coke habit.

what better gift than the muslim world..

funny how all it took was one incident to set in motion all sorts of discimatory measures all over the western world. Funny too how haliburton got a juciy contract this week in the 'reconstruction' of iraq.

funny how the election issues are heating up and its funny how terror alerts and rumors of dirty bombs rise to silence opposition voices.

im going to go work on my bunker. we filled it in when the cold war ended, but it looks like im gonna need it again....

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[info]ivydevice
2004-01-09 09:14 am UTC (link)
being an american, its amazing to me to hear anyone say that england is racist-- of course, my experience with england has always been either a) living in the tourist districts while i was there (the west end/covent garden area) or b) living in brixton. what's so delightful about brixton is you walk down the street, and you're the only white person there, and everyone is friendly and kind and says hello and asks how your day is... when i told my mum i was living in brixton, she just about fell over and died. "but they have such horrible crime, its the 'black' neighborhood, you'll get shot!" i have to admit that while crime was supposedly high in brixton before decriminilization, the whole reason i moved there is because my school had put me up in hackney(!) which was REALLY frightening and full of white geezers-- the last straw was when i was walking home from the tube one day and there was a tape outline of a body half a block from my dorm. i picked up and moved into my friends' flat in brixton the next day. i never felt like i couldn't walk alone at night because there were ALWAYS people out, playing instruments in the square, long after the pubs and the clubs had closed down. it was such a vibrant and wonderful area.

god, now i've gone and missed london again.

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